'It's been really hard for kids throughout the pandemic to not be able to play with other kids,' Grammer says. In partnership with Quaker Chewy and the American Camp Association, Grammer is crowdsourcing lyrics for a summer camp anthem that he and his preschooler are going to write together. He and Louisiana are even working on their first collaborative musical project together. And to just be, every single night, having the routine with these little girls, it's really, really special.' 'It's just been an intense, awesome amount of time for someone like me who does travel quite a bit, to have this whole year. 'Overall, that's been the huge win,' he says. The other thing Grammer did during pandemic downtime was spend a lot of time with his two daughters, 4-year-old Louisiana and 1-year-old Izzy. He wrote it out for the first time, and everyone else was like, 'Gravity! I have gravity all the time! Oh my God, you super nailed it.' And I think every great song has something of that in it.' The quick analogy I use is that Isaac Newton wrote out what gravity was. 'Because if you get it to be true, then it has this extra resonance to it. He says the key is always trying to write something that's true. I think that's the grounding piece to optimism that makes it something that people believe in and that is true and sincere.' So like, I'm crushed, and in the face of that, choosing and finding a way to stay up. 'If you hear a song like 'Keep Your Head Up,' it's not just like, 'Be happy!'' he says. He points out that most of the 'feel-good' songs he's famous for are actually grounded in a lot of pain, which is what makes them truly connect with a broad audience.

But if it is rebellious against negativity, it starts to gain some legs for me.' 'The word 'positive' inherently is a little cheesy, I think. 'Happy for happy's sake is not super authentic,' he says. Grammer acknowledges that it was difficult to find positives in the pandemic, even for him.

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